Journey of 20 Job Applications: Jul 26 Update, Losing My Mind


Originally published/last updated on myearlyretirementjourney.com on Jul 25, 2019. 

I’m taking a mental break from this jobbing process. This might be my penultimate update. No new companies have contacted me, as predicted. I think the rush of responses has finally died down, again in predictable fashion.

I actually got a rejection email TODAY from a job I don’t even remember applying for that does not appear on the chart. So there’s that.
At this point, all the status updates that have not changed since initial submission, I figured, have either moved on to other candidates or are taking their sweet time.
Here’s where we stand…
No.Date AppliedCompanyPositionCurrent StatusWhen I Last Checked
16/23/19DSIManager, WidgetsNo applicant portal6/29/19
26/24/19REGSr. Manager, WidgetsApplied -24Jun20197/19/19
36/24/19TAKManager, WidgetsNo longer under consideration7/13/19
46/24/19NOVSr. Manager, WidgetsScreening Phase -28Jun20197/19/19
56/24/19AZASr. Manager, WidgetsE/m for phone screen on Jul 10; e/m back avail times Jul 10; f/u Jul 25; radio silence since;7/19/19
66/24/19RAKSr. Manager, WidgetsE/m for video screen 7/16; repl’d 7/16; video screen scheduled 7/186/29/19
76/29/19UCBLead, WidgetsE/m on 7/17 with four screening questions; replied 7/17; e/m 7/22 to schedule phone screen; phone screen 7/247/19/19
86/29/19COVProject Manager, Widget SafetyNOT SELECTED7/13/19
96/29/19CONSpecialist, Widget SafetyCompleted-Updated: Jun 29, 20197/13/19
106/29/19IQVAssociate Manager, Widget SafetyActive7/19/19
116/29/19IQVSr. Specialist, Widget SafetyActive7/19/19
126/29/19TRIManager, WidgetsNo applicant portal6/29/19
137/3/19NOVManager, WidgetsScreening Phase -03Jul20197/19/19
147/4/19AVESr. Manager, WidgetsE/m for onsite on Jul 10; On 7/11 onsite scheduled for 7/227/10/19
157/4/19AZAScientist, Widget ComplianceIn Progress7/19/19
167/4/19FDCAnalyst, WidgetsCompleted-Updated: Jul 4, 20197/19/19
177/3/19SYNSpecialist, Widget SafetyCompleted-UpdatedJul5,20197/19/19
187/3/19VTXSr. Manager, WidgetsApplication Received-03Jul20197/19/19
197/3/19PACSr. Manager, WidgetsE/m for phone screen 7/8; Phone screen 7/11; radio silence since7/19/19
207/5/19JZZSpecialist, Widget SafetyNOT SELECTED7/8/19
I killed my interview at No. 14 (AVE) on Monday. They asked standard HR behavioral type questions. I still don’t know what that has to do with the job. My presentation went really well. I even think some of their questions were a little dumb. Three of the (nine) interviewers I think I would have gotten along with well as colleagues and one as a friend.
My concerns are:
  • The weather. It’s frosty Chicago, IL.
  • The staff is altogether pretty inexperienced with Widgets. As much as I appreciated being able to see that hey, I actually do have some desirable skills, I don’t want to be the most experienced person on a team. How does that help me grow? I feel as though I would be pushed into a leadership position that I’m not necessarily ready to assume bringing me to the realization that I have tended to prefer established roles and companies. I like order, so this would be quite a few degrees outside my comfort zone.
Am I ready for that?
But then again, this is the journey I chose to pursue. So while it’s not the best fit for those reasons, I think I have a pretty good shot. And if offered, I told myself I’d take it. I should hear something by end of next week.
Next was No. 7 (UCB). They emailed Mon, 7/22, for an HR phone screen that was scheduled Wed, 7/24. That went really well. According to the HR person, I should hear from the hiring manager on Friday to schedule a phone screen with him. I believe her.
In old news, for no reason at all, I followed up with No. 5 (AZA) to say..hello? anyone home? Still crickets. No surprises there. They have officially ghosted me.
There is so much to say in my personal life, I don’t even know where to begin. Stay tuned.
Question for readers, who have you used for references after you received a job offer?

Journey of 20 Job Applications: Jul 19 Update, Living a Double Life


Originally published/last updated on myearlyretirementjourney.com on Jul 19, 2019. 

Happy Friday! It’s time for a new update. It is currently 3p EST on a Friday, so while it’s not exactly close of business, I feel confident no one at these companies is working past 3p on a summer Friday.

That being said here is the lastest update on my Summer Job Hunt.
Jobbing
I’m beginning to see the side of interviewing where I feel as though I’m being pimped for information that the interviewer intends to use with no intention of hiring me. If one more person tells me I don’t have the experience they’re looking for, I may have to start gouging out eyeballs. I’d heard of this with people that work in design or advertising and have to present an idea or a project. Then they later feel they were just being used to generate ideas. It’s an icky feeling. I’ve had to sign 2 NDAs this week. That’s a first in the jobbing process for me.
No.Date AppliedCompanyPositionCurrent StatusWhen I Last Checked
16/23/19DSIManager, WidgetsNo applicant portal6/29/19
26/24/19REGSr. Manager, WidgetsApplied -24Jun20197/13/10
36/24/19TAKManager, WidgetsNo longer under consideration7/13/19
46/24/19NOVSr. Manager, WidgetsScreening Phase -28Jun20197/13/19
56/24/19AZASr. Manager, WidgetsE/m for phone screen on Jul 10; e/m back avail times Jul 10; radio silence since7/13/19
66/24/19RAKSr. Manager, WidgetsE/m for video screen 7/16; repl’d 7/16; video screen scheduled 7/186/29/19
76/29/19UCBLead, WidgetsE/m on 7/17 with four screening questions; replied 7/177/17/19
86/29/19COVProject Manager, Widget SafetyNOT SELECTED7/13/19
96/29/19CONSpecialist, Widget SafetyCompleted-Updated: Jun 29, 20197/13/19
106/29/19IQVAssociate Manager, Widget SafetyActive7/13/19
116/29/19IQVSr. Specialist, Widget SafetyActive7/13/19
126/29/19TRIManager, WidgetsNo applicant portal6/29/19
137/3/19NOVManager, WidgetsScreening Phase -03Jul20197/13/19
147/4/19AVESr. Manager, WidgetsE/m for onsite on Jul 10; On 7/11 onsite scheduled for 7/227/10/19
157/4/19AZAScientist, Widget ComplianceIn Progress7/13/19
167/4/19FDCAnalyst, WidgetsCompleted-Updated: Jul 4, 20197/13/19
177/3/19SYNSpecialist, Widget SafetyCompleted-UpdatedJul5,20197/13/19
187/3/19VTXSr. Manager, WidgetsApplication Received-03Jul20197/13/19
197/3/19PACSr. Manager, WidgetsE/m for phone screen 7/8; Phone screen 7/11; radio silence since7/8/19
207/5/19JZZSpecialist, Widget SafetyNOT SELECTED7/8/19
Status updates
I had two preliminary screens this week, both non-phone.
No. 7 (UCB) sent me a four-question questionnaire. They asked about writing experience. My experience seems to align with what they are looking for but maybe not to the extent they desire. At least they didn’t waste my time with a phone call or offer to interview. No response since; screen was both requested and completed Wednesday night.
No. 6 (RAK) scheduled a video screen on Thursday afternoon. That was a first in this summer job hunt. It was during my lunch break in the middle of the work day, and I had to sneak into an unused conference room. All this sneaking around makes me feel like I’m living a double life!  I thought the video screen would be done over Skype but they used a platform that was new to me called Zoom. I was prepared. By now, I have a saved document of the questions they usually ask. Upon reflection, I think my enthusiasm might read a little young, so I might work on that…or I might not. No. 6 (RAK) is a little more desirable because of the location (West Coast!), but less desirable because it’s a newer company and they’re building the department from scratch. Blech.
Two companies have moved from green to orange: No. 5 (AZA) and No. 20 (PAC).
Recall No. 5 (AZA) asked for times for a phone screen, and I responded within 24 hours. Crickets since. A colleague works there and said the job has been posted internally, so I’m guessing that’s the direction they’re going. If we’re looking for the upside that’s one PTO day I didn’t have to waste.
No. 20 (PAC) said the hiring manager would get back to me in a couple days. It’s been over a week. I think either my location or possibly my salary ask ($137 to $142k) was a deterrent. I can’t change where I live and the times I tried putting a local address, I got caught in my duplicity. Not a good feeling. And I’m not willing to live in a higher cost of living area for much less than that salary ask.
Next week is the dreaded all day interview at No. 14 (AVE). I finished my presentation so that was exciting and a relief. Did I tell you they responded to my questions. I was kind of hoping they wouldn’t and rescind the offer for the onsite interview. But alas, we’re all playing the polite dance, it’s costing them about $400 and me about $300 of lost wages. Le sigh.
Thoughts
I’m beginning to wonder a few things…am I really ready to work with a start-up? I’m such a fan of established process! But that might be a preference of circumstance. Smaller companies tend to hire people that are familiar to them (i.e. you look like me (white man), you must be just like me (white man) ); it makes them comfortable and they guesstimate what that person is capable of based on appearance (have you seen the latest Big Brother). The one upside of start-up is potential for stock options.
A colleague asked me what I would do if I got an offer, my answer still remains I’ll take it given I can at least maintain, if not increase, my level of savings.
Costs incurred
So when I first started this Journey of 20 Job Applications, I told myself if I got three responses, I would activate my phone. I activated my phone after the request for a video screen because I thought the video screen would be done over Skype. It wasn’t.  I only utilized the phone once to answer quickly to their request. That was $27 for a polite no. Ugh.
I haven’t added the costs for my travel to the Midwest this weekend because they say they’re going to reimburse me.
My current job
On the quitting in Sept 2019 front, I asked myself if today (Friday) was the day I was going to hand in my resignation for my hoped-for sabbatical, would I still do it? At this point, the answer seems like no. Work has been pretty unremarkable. Call volume is low since we’re awaiting a launch and are a bit over-staffed in preparation. The more distance I have between my old team and my new team,  the more I realize how much of a driver my old team was in my desire to quit. Hrmph. Just when you think you have your life figured out.
Looking forward
Given my personal history with the jobbing process, I really expect responses to taper off after this week. Probably will be getting a slew of No-Thank-Yous or radio silence (more common). That’s okay. Things should start ramping up at work pretty soon and that will make it less easy to call out. Then it will be August and the countdown begins to my targeted ‘Turn in my Resignation letter’ date. Will she do it???
Also, I have been continuing the process for the teaching gig in Spain. It starts Oct 1. I’m hoping to make a decision by end of July. But who knows…

Journey of 20 Job Applications: Jul 13 Update, So Many Hoops


Originally published/last updated on myearlyretirementjourney.com on Jul 14, 2019. 

It’s only 9a as I write this and unfortunately, I’ve been up for five hours. Why you might ask. Well, first the heat.

I was already up so I got this brilliant idea to book my dummy travel for my upcoming job interview. My current plan is to get there a day early and visit my cousin who I haven’t seen in over 5 years.
In case you missed the beginning: Journey of 20 Job Applications: July 7 Update
The letter the company (No. 14 AVE) sent me  said they would reimburse for airfare, 1 night hotel, and car rental. I’m not even sure they know where I live to know if this offer applies to me, but ok. They didn’t say I couldn’t do it. This is my third time flying in for an interview this year (2019), but this is the first time I had to book it myself.
Thoughts on this: It definitely makes it easier not to feel obligated to attend. When the company sets up the travel, it takes the indecision away; it’s more of a done deal. Reimbursing for travel makes it seem more tentative. Like… I could cancel anytime (or not book at all) and not feel that bad about it. Which essentially is how I feel.
Anyway, since I was adding an extra day to my trip, I booked a dummy itinerary where I flew in Sunday and flew out Monday. This changes my airfare and car rental. Not much changes with hotel, since I’d be staying one night with my cousin. Once I got those confirmations and receipts to turn in, I cancelled those bookings.
My real booking is going to be for a Saturday flight and 3 days of car rental (as opposed to two). I may be indecisive, but I’m not dishonest.
Why I don’t want to go:
  • It’s a 7 hour interview day (at 9a to 4p, this might be my longest yet)
  • I’ll be meeting with 9 different people
  • I’ll be forced to present (this requires so much prep, it’s annoying)
  • In addition, it’s a cold weather state (where I grew up and was so pumped to leave)
  • Have to call out of work and use a vacation day
  • Oh did I mention…. I have to make this presentation while not irrelevant, it’s not really what I’d be doing there
Why I might still go:
  • Interview practice… I guess
  • Greater chance I might see my cousin this year
I think I’m mostly just afraid of being treated poorly by inexperienced employees who have little to no interviewing experience. I don’t want my time wasted and then made to feel bad on top of that. Because even if they’re poor interviewers, it’ll make me feel bad long after the interview that I didn’t perform better. That I couldn’t somehow turn it around in my favor. To me it feels like 9 against 1 (me). This is why I don’t like interviewing in general.
So to get out of my feelings, I went ahead and checked the status of my other applications.
No.Date AppliedCompanyPositionCurrent StatusWhen I Last Checked
16/23/19DSIManager, WidgetsNo applicant portal6/29/19
26/24/19REGSr. Manager, WidgetsApplied -24Jun20197/13/10
36/24/19TAKManager, WidgetsNo longer under consideration7/13/19
46/24/19NOVSr. Manager, WidgetsScreening Phase -28Jun20197/13/19
56/24/19AZASr. Manager, WidgetsE/m for phone screen on Jul 107/13/19
66/24/19RAKSr. Manager, WidgetsNo applicant portal6/29/19
76/29/19UCBLead, WidgetsUnder Review – Status date: 06/29/197/13/19
86/29/19COVProject Manager, Widget SafetyNOT SELECTED7/13/19
96/29/19CONSpecialist, Widget SafetyCompleted-Updated: Jun 29, 20197/13/19
106/29/19IQVAssociate Manager, Widget SafetyActive7/13/19
116/29/19IQVSr. Specialist, Widget SafetyActive7/13/19
126/29/19TRIManager, WidgetsNo applicant portal6/29/19
137/3/19NOVManager, WidgetsScreening Phase -03Jul20197/13/19
147/4/19AVESr. Manager, WidgetsE/m for onsite on Jul 10; On 7/11 onsite scheduled for 7/227/10/19
157/4/19AZAScientist, Widget ComplianceIn Progress7/13/19
167/4/19FDCAnalyst, WidgetsCompleted-Updated: Jul 4, 20197/13/19
177/3/19SYNSpecialist, Widget SafetyCompleted-UpdatedJul5,20197/13/19
187/3/19VTXSr. Manager, WidgetsApplication Received-03Jul20197/13/19
197/3/19PACSr. Manager, WidgetsE/m for phone screen 7/8; Phone screen 7/117/8/19
207/5/19JZZSpecialist, Widget SafetyNOT SELECTED7/8/19
Two more rejections. I’m not sure why I thought this would help.
The one I really wanted based on location alone was No. 20. I would have been more willing to jump through these hoops to be back on the West Coast.
I’m hoping to make a final decision Monday close of business. My hope is I’ll start/finish the presentation by then; hear from landlord about lease renewal; and hear back from the other two job opportunities currently moving forward. I hope to email them (No. 14 AVE) by Wednesday if I ultimately decide not to go. Part of me wants to email them a bunch of questions, namely centered around what’s the point of interviewing with nine people and making a 45 minute presentation. Thoughts?